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really?? that's kind of a downer. how certain are you? and do you have ANY ballpark figure of how much the surgeons fees would run?Meryaten wrote:I believe that OHIP covers hospital fees, anesthesia and so forth, but you'd need to pay the OS's fees.
As to the normal resting position for the mouth - it should be with the teeth slightly apart, and the tongue would normally be resting on the roof of the mouth (not the back of the teeth); the lips should be closed and unstrained.
Yours looks kind of similar to mine, and mine is basically because my lower jaw didn't grow far forward enough. I'm don't know exactly why your lower lip jets out like that (mine does the same), but I sometimes wonder if it's because the bottom jaw and chin hasn't grown far enough forward to actually fill it out enough and give it shape... If that makes sense.hey curious to know whether u saw a noticable change in your facial appearance after getting teeth extracted? i seem to be just learning of this scary possibility of your face sort of caving inwards or just changing noticably. I was initially pretty cool with the idea when my ortho brought it up b/c i DO feel my teeth have shifted so much probably b/c naturally they're just too big/need more room than my mouth can give. But after hearing a couple stories about how tooth extraction can "ruin faces" I'm a little put off.Spiral wrote:Hi Jonathon003,
My orthodontist also didn't mention my jaw at any time when I had braces the first time round. It was only when I went back to him a few years later because I wasn't happy that he said he'd known I would need surgery to fix things completely. I was a bit annoyed about that as well, but I think he was hesitant to point out the problems to a young teen who probably hadn't noticed them yet. Plus, I assume I needed to stop growing first.
From your photos I can't really see much of a slant in your bottom teeth, probably because mine was worse! Both my top and bottom teeth were slanted slightly outwards. As far as I know, your retainer didn't cause this, it's just the way they grew, possibly because your mouth is small... I had to have a few teeth removed and braces to pull the slant in.
As for your chin, I have often wished I was male so I could grow a beard to hide mine
Obviously, I'm far from being an expert and this is just conjecture. Your orthodontist is really the best person to speak to!
Yeah definetly it's a strain. Let's put it this way...I cannot KEEP my mouth closed if I'm not consciously thinking about doing so. If I'm closing my eyes on the subway, and 'uncomfortably' close my mouth, as soon as I take my mind off my mouth it will open. It's very frustrating. And yes that 1st pic in the 3rd (or 4th) post is my mouth at natural rest. So i'm not sure if surgery can even correct that or what. I mean what if my top lip is just too short? No knowledge on how easy this problem can be fixed. I do know that it DEFINETLY affects my speech though. Pronunciation seems like a chore. I could have a sentence all ready to go lined up in my head and want to get it out quickly, but because I must move my mouth farther to pronounce different sounds (with lips closed...such as "B" sounds" it makes me not only self conscious about it, but a struggle to get everything out and sounding very proper.Meryaten wrote:I do see what you mean about your chin. It's hard to say much about how the bite/teeth fit, because it's hard to tell what is your natural bite and where you are "posturing" - jutting the chin forward. It does look like you can close you lips (that's good - sme people can't even do that) but to do so, are you straining? Is that first pic in the third post with pics your lips at natural rest? i.e. are they open if you just relax your mouth?
Alright, appreciate all the help. I will continue to update with my progress as I'm pretty certain I'll be going through with this whole thing.Meryaten wrote:Here's what this non-dental professional thinks: your ortho gave you a decent functional bite first time around, but clearly the results have not been as stable as would be desired, and that treatment addressed neither your dissatisfaction with the appearenace of your chin, nor the functional issue of lip incompetence/lip strain.
I am confident that surgery could give you a more favourable aesthetic: lower jaw surgery would not only improve your chin, but would probably also soften your nose a little, and would (I am pretty confident) relieve the lip strain issue too. What I don't know is what sort of orthodontic decompensation would be needed prior to surgery, so that a functional bite would also be achieved.
Again though: I am not a dental pro - have consultations and be clear about your goals.
wow thats crazy. cuz i definetly have that, where my nose is rounded. I will try to find before and after pictures. I just had no clue that the lower jaw being back could affect that. Although I KNOW that when I smile, it becomes even more rounded, which might explain the skin being pulled thing. So hopefully what your saying is that might fix itself too? Thats awesome! Man I wish I could get this NOW.Meryaten wrote:Take a look around at a few of the before and after pics of people who have had lower jaw surgery only. Where the lower jaw was initially set quite far back, you will often see the nose initially appears almost rounded - how can I describe it ... almost as if the skin is pulled too tight. When the lower jaw is brought forward (and there is generally also a rotational component too) it tends to let the skin in the lower part of the mid-face "relax" a little, and the nose will often look a little softer as a result.
