The never ending story of Clo's braces

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#61 Post by Chris » Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:14 pm

Meryaten wrote:And I imagine he will not have encountered such a well-informed patient before, too.

Oh, Clo! I do so hope that this chap will be able to give some helpful insights and set your course aright. There are few people here whose stories I follow with so much desire to see the happy final outcome. I so hope this chap can help you find your way to yours.
Me too, Clo !! :-1
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#62 Post by grneydfairy » Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:47 pm

Goooooooood luck Clo! I'm crossing my fingers super tight for you!

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#63 Post by Arbywhopper » Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:21 am

I hope Ortho # 4 can get your teeth straight!! You really do deserve it, with everything you have been through. :D :D

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OH MY GOODNESS

#64 Post by sdawdy » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:51 am

I just read your journey and almost started crying for you. This is so sad that all this is happening. Best of luck with ortho 4. Hopefully he can give some advise or take you on with a way to fix it all! My thoughts and prayers go out to you.

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#65 Post by iBorg » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:11 pm

Let's hope number four is the new number one who can get it done!

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#66 Post by Flaka » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:51 am

Clo, Did you go to the 4th Ortho already? I know it was going to be this week, but dunno know the day.
Fingers crossed for a final solution.
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#67 Post by Clo » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:41 am

First, thank you all for replying !!
Meryaten wrote:And I imagine he will not have encountered such a well-informed
patient before, too.
And you're part of the reason why, Meryaten :lol:. And this site and the net
in general.
VistaXP wrote:Maybe you can PM Dr. Rick
I did several times. I had very good talks and very interesting information.

About ortho number 4.
So, yes, I did see him. And what he said was not new to me, in fact a lot of
things I said earlier to my present ortho were confirmed by him. You know,
the most important thing I need is closing of my front open bite. I started
by telling him that my present ortho is giving up all attempts but that I don't
accept that. I am ok to have such a bad bite for a while, but don't want to
have such a bite for the rest of my life. He started by telling me open bites
sometimes happen because of having the tongue between the teeth. But he
also said that sometimes the tongue is between the teeth because the bite
opened up. He wanted to continue but I told him this was the first time an
ortho told me that. I do have this ongoing discussion with my present ortho
about this. She claims I have an open bite because of my tongue. I am sure
this tongue issue is only a consequence, not the cause. Look, I said, I have
pictures on my iPhone of my molds dating from the beginning of my whole
journey, now almost 5 years ago. Wow, he said, there was initially no open
bite and asked himself how on earth they could have made my bite so bad.
From that moment on, I knew I was speaking to the right person here. I
showed him pics of all the steps ortho 3 made. You know docs won't attack
each other openly in front of a patient. But I clearly sensed that he wasn't
impressed with what was done up to now. I did tell several times to my
present ortho that I thought that the intrusion forces I have to intrude my
upper molars are not strong enough and point in a wrong direction, causing
tipping of those teeth. Of course I was always wrong. I got the impression that
he thinks I was right. I always said to ortho 3 that a nice vertical pull up force
is needed. I searched on the net and looked for solutions for that and found
this :

http://www.angle.org/anglonline/?reques ... &page=0519

Figure 5 shows an appliance that rests on the upper molars and is pulled up
using heavy springs on the buccal side. All ortho 3 could have made was that
dreadful bite block I once got :

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Anyway, he told me he could do the following thing. Make for me some kind
of splint. And he began drawing an appliance that I recognized. It was the
very same thing as in this figure 5 ! Damn, damn, I should never have gone
to ortho 3 and gone directly to him. So what he would do is this. Remove all
braces soon, make this appliance to intrude all my upper back teeth. After
6 months (to him, more like a year to me) reinstall the braces to create an
occlusion. And also extract my wisdom teeth to make things a bit easier. He
asked to have ortho 3 phone him to speak about my case. And that was it.

So, in a way it was a good appointment. Because he would intrude the way
I think is right (finally). But I admit I do not like this linearity of actions. First
ortho 3 doing the finishing, then the intrusion by him and then again having
braces. That is why I will ask him if it would be possible to start the intrusion
now. That, to make it possible, my present ortho removes only part of the
upper braces (molars and maybe premolars) so that he can start right away.
So that is the next thing I need to do now. Try to them having a meeting and,
together with what I ask, try to get a good plan to go on. Oh dear, this is not
easy, not for me, and probably not for you readers. I hope I explained it well.

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#68 Post by Flaka » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:31 am

Clo,

I am glad to hear that this guy seems to understand you and has a new plan. Lets hope the 2 orthos meet soon so you can get started.

I wish you the best and lets hope this is the last time you will ever have to meet another ortho in your life.
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#69 Post by Lisa65 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:19 pm

That sounds a lot more hopeful Clo . If you could keep your bottom braces and the top front ones on, it would hopefully stop your front teeth going out of line while the top molars were intruded.
Hopefully orthos 3 and 4 will co-operate with each other in acheiving a good bite for you. :D

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#70 Post by iBorg » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:10 pm

Clo may your Christmas wishes of a good bite be achieved in the coming year!

Mike
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Whats the latest, Clo?

#71 Post by Chris » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:38 pm

Hi Clo...just checking in to see what the latest progress on your treatment is?
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#72 Post by Clo » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:27 am

Hi, so glad I can communicate again here !

I prepared some info earlier hoping I could continue my ongoing story here.
First, date is the 6th of January :

I fear I have to bring again some bad news. But it will not last long, I'll explain.
You know I saw ortho 4 and had a not too bad appointment. The idea was that
he would meet ortho 3 to speak and brainstorm about my case. I really hoped
he would have much better plans than I had up to now. But I hoped too that
ortho 3 would not kinda contaminate ortho 4 with her ideas. I got a mail from
her today(i.e. some weeks ago), and I am sure she did. In essence she told me
they can't close my bite, and even if they could, it wouldn't be stable because
of tongue issues. That jaw joint degeneration is the cause of my open bite. All
things that I am sure are NOT true at all. Anyways, she will make molds next
week for permanent retainers on both upper and lower teeth, which I do not
want at all. And some weeks later she will remove my braces and install the
retainers. Maybe ortho 4 would try something with that splint I talked about
earlier. But he would extract all my wisdom teeth, which I do not want and do
not need.

So, this is probably the worst news I could get. It is obvious that I will not get
improvement at all that way. So, I admit I will end the battle. I tried so very
hard, because all this is due to mistreatment in the first place. Because I am
certain it is fixable. But not here, not now. So, I give in.

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#73 Post by Clo » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:37 am

And the second, date is some days ago :

In one last attempt, I mailed to ortho 3 and 4.
To ortho 3. I told her that I do not believe that the cause of my open bite she
mentioned is correct. That I think my teeth are not ready at all to finish now.
That I don't want permanent retainers.
To ortho 4. I asked if he could help me without extracting my third molars. I
gave some reasons why I do not want this.

It took some time them to answer. But then they finally did.

Ortho 3. I saw her this week. She did tweak a bit here and there to make the
alignment better. So, she didn't make molds for the retainers yet. And she'll
speak to ortho 4 about my wish not to have permanent retainers. The plan is
now to have a lower Hawley. And a permanent retainer for the uppers so that
he still can work on my bite. So, then I would have a lower Hawley, an upper
fixed retainer and that splint thing to intrude my upper back teeth. Later on
maybe braces again to make the right occlusion. If my bite is closed. IF.

Ortho 4. He mailed me back to tell me he could do the intrusion without
extracting my wisdom teeth after all. I feel that he is not very thrilled about it.

Now, the idea is that once more ortho 3 will talk to ortho 4 about how to go on.
But I have to admit that my motivation about the whole thing is now very very
low. It feels like my motivation did the same thing as those springs I once had.
It snapped. I will wait and see what they'll tell me. Maybe that will help.

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#74 Post by changes09 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:09 am

What a story.....that is all that my mind could come up with after reading your story. I am so sorry that you had to go through all this. I know that with braces it makes your bight worse before it gets better....but its suppose to get better. It's suppose to! Was it the first orthodontist you saw that made things the way it was?
You dont seem like a spitefull person but I would sue (sp) the first ortho and get my money back :wink:
No. I'm kidding...well half kidding. Again I am so sorry and I know your morale is so low right now, but try to be optimistic. easier said then done i know. Good luck
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#75 Post by Chris » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:19 pm

Clo, forgive me if someone asked this question before, but didn't they try to intrude the back molars already and it did not work? And what reason did Ortho 4 give for wanting to extract the wisdom teeth? Did he feel that he could do accomplish something by those extractions? And have you decided against any jaw surgery?
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