Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

This is the place to post general questions and comments about all areas of orthodontic treatment. Before you post a question, use the forum's SEARCH tool to see if your question has already been answered!

New Members: YOU MUST MAKE A POST WITHIN 24 HOURS OF REGISTERING OR YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE DELETED. In other words, don't sign up unless you plan to actively participate in the message board immediately. This is necessary to keep out spammers and lurkers with bad intentions. Of course, you can read most forums on the board without registering.

DO NOT POST FULL-FACE PHOTOS or personal contact information on this website. We have had problems with people re-posting members' photos on fetish websites. Please only post photos of your teeth, not your whole face. Keep your email and your personal information private. Thank you.

Moderator: bbsadmin

Post Reply
Message
Author
Woobster
Posts: 109
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:09 am
Location: Columbus, OH

Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#1 Post by Woobster »

I'll be gettin "square" wires on Wednesday, and my ortho mentioned that this is usually when people experience the most discomfort (other than the initial week of having braces).

Are you in "square" wires? Have you had them? What was your experience like?

Thanks! :HugeGrin:

chichi
Posts: 485
Joined: Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:44 pm
Location: East Coast, USA

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#2 Post by chichi »

My first square wire was rough. I could not believe the jaw pain and I had to go back to soft foods for about a week. It was the most painful part of this so process so far (and I've had several more rectangular wires, elastics, and a powerchain since then).

On the other hand, there are people on here who have said their first rectangular wires were no worse than any other adjustment, so you may have no discomfort whatsoever. Everyone is different and you won't know until it happens to you.
Had Damons (ceramic upper, metal lower) from June 27, 2013 - January 20, 2015
15-18 month sentence, official time in braces was 18 months, 3 weeks, 3 days
My Story: http://www.archwired.com/phpbb2/viewtop ... =9&t=45054

msw
Posts: 132
Joined: Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:34 am

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#3 Post by msw »

I'll be moving into rectangular wires at my next adjustment in April. Not looking forward to that.
Image

Image

beckyboo0205
Posts: 376
Joined: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:53 pm
Location: Alaska

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#4 Post by beckyboo0205 »

I think my first rectangle wire was the worst too. Not to scare you... it was just a few day of bad pain just on my top arch where my rectangle was.

Woobster
Posts: 109
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:09 am
Location: Columbus, OH

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#5 Post by Woobster »

I'll have them on my uppers and lowers.

I really have had very little pain with my braces, so I'm kinda hoping I'm one of the lucky ones. Just trying to prepare myself in case I'm not though. I'll definitely have some soft foods on hand.

catwanabee
Posts: 47
Joined: Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:56 pm

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#6 Post by catwanabee »

I guess it depends on the person. But for me my first square wire which i got on my first adjustment were a bit tight for a few hours, but no pain/soreness.
Image

http://www.archwired.com/phpbb2/viewtop ... 13&t=46203
In Ovation-C Braces
Braced on Dec 2013 for 24 Months

TMJJill
Posts: 827
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:18 pm

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#7 Post by TMJJill »

The square wires are much stiffer, which can lend to more pain for some.

I don't recall much of an issue with my first square wires. The thicker ones took a bit more getting used to.

I didn't have much problem with the square wires in general for treatment. It was when they turned into 'pokies' out the back that they bothered me the most. They dug holes in my cheek. I think my problems with this were much worse and more frequent than most people though.

I wouldn't stress about the change. It is a step towards your final results. :BigTeethGrin:
Image

Braces as Phase II treatment for TMJD.
Lower mandibular repositioning splint 26 months.
Lower braces on 10.75 months into Phase II treatment.
Duration in braces: 2 years, 2 weeks, 5 days
Removal of Braces: September 18, 2013

TMJD treatment now complete!

sirwired
Posts: 2104
Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:05 am

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#8 Post by sirwired »

Pretty much everyone (Damons or no) gets square wires. The round wires line up your teeth along the arch in a nice, neat, row. The square wires engage the "dialed in" angle of your "bracket prescription" to render them vertical. (Incidentally, while self-ligating brackets (like Damons) appear to let the round wires do their job faster due to reduced friction along the archwire, they appear to be slower for this stage, where you want the brackets to be dug into wire, and the increased bracket-to-bracket distance is a liability because the wire can't induce the same amount of torque.)

Keep in mind that this stage of treatment is usually never as quick or cosmetically dramatic as the round wires, but they are still doing important work so you have a bite that is healthy, in addition to good-looking.

butlerbulldogfan
Posts: 38
Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:11 pm

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#9 Post by butlerbulldogfan »

I went to a square wire a couple weeks ago. I cant tell you if it hurts or not. When they changed it that day and the next day I felt alot of pressure and soreness. Couple days later I had to get a hook bent on a bracket that was poking my cheek and the bracket popped off so they had to take the wire out and when they put it back in my teeth didnt hurt anymore for some reason. The only thing I have noticed since then is back behind my upper teeth the arch or pallete whatever the gum part is has tension and is sore. Other then that I didnt notice much of a difference.

User avatar
djspeece
Posts: 1917
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:36 am
Location: North Canton, Ohio USA

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#10 Post by djspeece »

sirwired wrote:Pretty much everyone (Damons or no) gets square wires. The round wires line up your teeth along the arch in a nice, neat, row. The square wires engage the "dialed in" angle of your "bracket prescription" to render them vertical. (Incidentally, while self-ligating brackets (like Damons) appear to let the round wires do their job faster due to reduced friction along the archwire, they appear to be slower for this stage, where you want the brackets to be dug into wire, and the increased bracket-to-bracket distance is a liability because the wire can't induce the same amount of torque.)

Keep in mind that this stage of treatment is usually never as quick or cosmetically dramatic as the round wires, but they are still doing important work so you have a bite that is healthy, in addition to good-looking.
That is one of the best descriptions I have read about round vs. square wires for the Damons.
Dan

Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional. -- Buddist saying

Woobster
Posts: 109
Joined: Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:09 am
Location: Columbus, OH

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#11 Post by Woobster »

I agree... Thank you for the description, sirwired!

The bottom rectangular wire went on this morning and those teeth are definitely sore. I had a couple of small spaces open up on top over the past few weeks, so I'm back in power chains (3 to 3) and have another round wire there. The rectangular wire will go on top in a few weeks.

I have two lingual brackets on a couple of upper teeth in order to keep them from turning. Those things are making me a little crazy!

Level75
Posts: 8
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:39 pm

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#12 Post by Level75 »

I know this is old post but I came in looking for others who are finding the move the square wires really painful. I don't have any of the cuts and sores from the initial time but I can't bite down without pain. I think it's worse than the initial wires, I literally can't chew anything.

assertives
Posts: 638
Joined: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:29 am

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#13 Post by assertives »

Level75 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:42 pm
I know this is old post but I came in looking for others who are finding the move the square wires really painful. I don't have any of the cuts and sores from the initial time but I can't bite down without pain. I think it's worse than the initial wires, I literally can't chew anything.
My teeth were really painful when I first got square wires too. It was so painful that I wasn't able to brush my teeth or floss properly without pain, let alone eat. My jaw would also throb a little. That pain went away about 3 to 4 days later.

pcspinheiro
Posts: 287
Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:37 am

Re: Damon wearers... Talk to me about "square" wire.

#14 Post by pcspinheiro »

I'm getting self-ligating braces next Monday, top arch only. I'm hoping that I won't have to go into square wires, so as to mess with my teeth the least possible. Just trying to fix some undue contacts, missing and wrongfully extracted premolar and unnatural smile (plus relapse), all thanks to my former ortho that neither respected my simple orthodontic requests nor seemed to have a clue about what she was doing... I hope I can get away with 8-12 moths of top braces only. Otherwise, to truly fix everything (I'm not sure some things can ever be undone), I'm looking at ~3 years and a whole lot of pain...

Post Reply