Metal vs Ceramic?

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littleviolet
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Metal vs Ceramic?

#1 Post by littleviolet » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:34 pm

Im getting braces next month :) and im trying to decide on metal or ceramic. I like the look of the clear, and I dont mind paying the extra cost. But i've been told that they stain very easily and make teeth look yellow?

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#2 Post by Lynette » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:57 pm

If you can afford to pay the extra, then I recommend the ceramic. I have them at the moment and LOVE them.

Staining is definitely an issue. They can get really really bright yellow if you eat things with curry powder or turmeric. Chicken flavoured instant noodles and mustard are really staining too.

I have a pic of my ceramic braces at their yellowest on my blog and it's really really bad.

If you can stay away from staining foods like the ones I mentioned, then you should be fine. Don't forget the ligatures get changed to fresh new ones every month.

Good luck with whatever you decide :)
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#3 Post by dangerdude » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:14 am

I had my mind set on clear whatever the cost. Then I found out only the front 8 or so gets the clears while the rest were metal. $900 extra? Thats what I was quoted. $56 or so extra for each bracket. With these numbers, something doesn't sound right.

I'm going to have to call the orthos out on this huge mark up. I looked around on the web for the cost of the brackets and the metals are $15-30 for a set and clears are $40-100.

Search on ebay or around the web for Roth Ceramic or roth brackets. You'll see what the actual cost of the brackets are :(

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#4 Post by Snowglobe32 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:15 am

Hi there,

There have been many threads about this topic, all with great information.
Try the search function.

I vote for ceramics, by the way. :D

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#5 Post by Lynette » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:08 am

dangerdude wrote:I had my mind set on clear whatever the cost. Then I found out only the front 8 or so gets the clears while the rest were metal. $900 extra? Thats what I was quoted. $56 or so extra for each bracket. With these numbers, something doesn't sound right.

I'm going to have to call the orthos out on this huge mark up. I looked around on the web for the cost of the brackets and the metals are $15-30 for a set and clears are $40-100.

Search on ebay or around the web for Roth Ceramic or roth brackets. You'll see what the actual cost of the brackets are :(
Wow! $900 extra just for front 8? That's slightly insane.

If I got all metal it would've been $4250. It's an extra $750 for all ceramic top and bottom which I think is still kind of pushing it.
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Re: Metal vs Ceramic?

#6 Post by kimmie117 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:25 am

littleviolet wrote:Im getting braces next month :) and im trying to decide on metal or ceramic. I like the look of the clear, and I dont mind paying the extra cost. But i've been told that they stain very easily and make teeth look yellow?
You should definitely get clear! I have the in-ovation C's and it doesn't require ligatures so theres absolutely no staining on the brackets! Mine were an additional $300, & it's so worth it to me! I would have paid double the cost bc I refuse to have so much "bling" in my mouth LOL! If you want to be discreet as possible..I'll reconmend the clear over metals any day! Happy shopping! But if it doesn't bother you none, I'll save the money instead.

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#7 Post by littleviolet » Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:26 am

Yeah that does seem like alot dangerdude! My ortho also quoted me an exta $750 for ceramic instead of metal, like Lynette. Im also from Australia

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#8 Post by dangerdude » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:14 am

For $300 I'd go for it but $750-900 is really really pushing it. You can buy an iPhone + iPad for that amount instead. They even offered me clear tops alone at $450 :roll:

I can afford the extra amount for the ceramics but I wont do it now. I'm not buying the line that ceramics are more difficult to work with and take longer. If anyone is going to a library any time soon, search for an ortho training book and see about ceramics/metal time difference. I'd do it but I haven't been to a library in 10 years :D

I'm sure they'll say ceramics will take longer but you'll end up debraced earlier :) Thats a trick the airlines use. They will say your flight is 5 hours long. But in reality, its 4 1/2 hours. So when your plane lands at 30 mins early, they look like heroes. Or when they leave a little late, you'll still land at the original schd time.

Use your $750 on diamond earrings and a diamond necklace. When people look at you, they'll notice your jewels instead. Plus, it will last a lifetime instead of 2 years then being dumped in the landfill.

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Re: Metal vs Ceramic?

#9 Post by NervousNewbie » Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:59 am

kimmie117 wrote:You should definitely get clear! I have the in-ovation C's and it doesn't require ligatures so theres absolutely no staining on the brackets!
I also have the In-Ovation C's and no staining here either. I'm so happy I got these over metal brackets.
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#10 Post by drrick » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:12 am

Its not just the cost of the one set to keep in mind.

If a ceramic bracket comes off you typically need a new one. With metal you can rebond the same one.

If I remember correctly the ceramics I use are about $25 a piece -- they are a different type of bracket than many other docs use though.

Also ceramics can be more difficult to work with.
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#11 Post by VancouverJude » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:22 am

Hi Violet,

I also had the ceramic option (extra $350) and ultimately chose to go "old school" with metal. My husband sez I look "cute" so there ya go.

You can have a LOT of fun with lig colors which are changed periodically. Keep that in mind. Visit the lig colour (colors) page.

Primarily I chose metal because I realized the ceramic my ortho would use would need the elastic ligs around each bracket (as does my metal) and I would prefer a more seamless look if ceramics.

Systems like Damons, Innovation C etc do not use elastics but a locking-in-place system to hold the archwire. Chances are most likely your ortho will have the ligature system.

Do make sure the metal brackets are going to be low profile (which 99% sure they will be.)

If I was younger, single, or shy perhaps I'd go with ceramics but ultimately people are going to realize you have braces one way or another.
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#12 Post by MisAligned » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:34 am

I have the Damons with clear brackets on 6 of my top teeth. I really wish clear brackets were available for the bottoms, too. I feel the clear are much less noticeable - people often tell me that they didn't even notice my braces until they saw the metal brackets on my bottom teeth (which show when I am talking and when I smile).

I was charged only $100 extra for the clears. I cannot believe how much more others have been charging, but I would probably still go for it (though diamond earrings do sound pretty nice).

Hope this helps. Good luck! :)

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#13 Post by Candice » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:33 pm

I ended up having to get metal braces as opposed to the clear braces because I have a crown on one of my front teeth. I guess the clears do not stick very well to the sealant and the tooth. I was kind of sad about not getting clears, but now that I've had the metal braces on for 7 weeks, it's been kind of fun! I love changing the colors and my boyfriend says they're cute. I like to think of them as an accessory or jewelry for my teeth. ;)

I work for my orthodontist and he recommended the metal over clears anyway since they move the teeth faster and are stronger.
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#14 Post by VA5 » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:43 pm

I have the ceramic top and bottom. However, I wish I had chosen metals for several reasons. First, braces are braces.. just b/c ceramic might be less noticeable, they are not going to be unnoticed. Second, ceramics are larger than metals. Now, I am used to it, however I remember when I first got them on, I felt like I had a mouth full of food.. and noticed in pictures that metals are much smaller looking than the ceramics. Third, I didn't know that metals can move the teeth faster. I would have chosen metal for THAT reason alone, to be honest.
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#15 Post by BraceFace2o1o » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:57 pm

Candice wrote:I work for my orthodontist and he recommended the metal over clears anyway since they move the teeth faster and are stronger.
VA5 wrote:Third, I didn't know that metals can move the teeth faster. I would have chosen metal for THAT reason alone, to be honest.
I used to believe this too. But apparently it isn't true? Well, from what DrJasonKTam said in this post anyway:
DrJasonKTam wrote:Contemporary ceramic brackets do not slow down movement compared to metal brackets.
DrJasonKTam wrote:
Snowglobe32 wrote:
DrJasonKTam wrote:Contemporary ceramic brackets do not slow down movement compared to metal brackets.
THANK YOU Dr. Tam! I can't tell you how irritated I get when people write that ceramic brackets take longer.
It's a very common misconception. I have similar feelings when I hear about self-ligating brackets or Damon braces moving teeth faster as well :).

Planning treatment properly, using any host of brand-name brackets, individual biology, and the skill of the orthodontist are the biggest factors in the speed of tooth movement :).
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