Just got braces, questions re. narrow palate / expansion etc

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Anthony0
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Just got braces, questions re. narrow palate / expansion etc

#1 Post by Anthony0 »

Hey guys. I'm a newbie to this site and to braces, and this is my first post so I hope this works out. My story just briefly as possible (bolded a few things for the skimmers):

I sucked my thumb as a kid and was given a thumb crib thing to stop that , but I was never recommended for braces or any other kind of ortho treatment. Anyway it was recently at the dentist that I was told I have an open bite, and that I could get braces and that they would do it for me in their office. My parents started the process immediately for me, somewhat confused and upset about not having it recommended sooner (I'm a 21 y/o guy). While I was getting the molds, the assistant made an off the cuff remark about how I had a narrow jaw for such a big guy (I'm 6'5). I didn't think anything of it, but then the dentist said I had a high palate/narrow jaw too, and said he'd incorporate an expander into the treatment plan (My self-esteem took a bit of a hit, all these flaws ! haha, ignorance is bliss! :cry:).

Alright, so I was all set to go in and have them put on the brackets when their office phoned, said they were unable to do it and all their ortho work was being transferred to other doctors. So my parents set up with another Orthodontist, and sent him all the molds and X-rays that had been done. I went to this new guy's office and had a really quick profile photoshoot, and then didn't see him again until the bracket installation.

OK so my concern is this: This second Ortho (who seems to be extremely qualified credential wise, and the office is really swanky) has made no mention or implied any future use of any "expanders," unlike my first Ortho. I feel kind of ignorant about what exactly they accomplish, but I guess my teeth on one side sort of come down end to end, instead of into eachother's grooves. Can braces alone fix this? Am I at a disadvantage for not having any expander appliances? If the braces can pull the teeth just enough so they don't come in end to end on the one side anymore, is a narrow palate something to fix?

I just feel really ignorant and confused, and intimidated to ask about this stuff since every time I see this ortho (two times so far, not including the brief profile picture taking/appointment making) it's him briefly checking my teeth and his assistants hammering away at the grunt work. My parents sort of just got all the billing and stuff worked out and it started really quick, but they don't know what to tell me about this stuff. They (this ortho and his staff) just seem to be focused on the open bite, which they're correcting with elastics non-surgically, so I guess it's not that bad relatively speaking.

After reading about narrow palates and such, I'm wondering why I'm not being recommended things like SARPE. I have TMJ issues that I'm learning about, some nasal stuff, and after seeing my profile, I mean I'm not a bad looking dude (I hope :D ), but I think I have a somewhat flat/sunken midface relative to the rest: All things that apparently are related to the upper jaw and the palate.

Basically I'm wondering if I should be pushing for things like palate expanders / surgery, or if I should just stick with the braces, keep my mouth shut, and see how it develops?

Sorry for the length (made a couple edits), hope I didn't ramble, and any advice however much is greatly appreciated.

dugsmom
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#2 Post by dugsmom »

I'm on the same boat as you. I may not be much help (hope someone who knows more can help you) but I am going through some of the stuff you have mentioned.
2 years ago I went to my first ortho consult and he told me he could fix my teeth with braces. I chickened out after I heard bad stuff about him

Then went to another ortho who told me I had a narrow palate (which never bothered me either...)and a crossbite. He said I needed either surgery or 2 teeth extracted. I decided to go with the surgery (didn't want to get 2 beautiful healthy teeth pulled) but I moved so I had to wait on that.

Moved to another town and went to another consult. Ortho said I needed to get 2 teeth extracted and all he'd do was straighten my teeth. No widening of the arches. I told him that I wanted to keep my teeth and asked about surgery. He said NO WAY. Either get the teeth pulled or I could just do nothing.

Soon after, I went to my last ortho consult and he told me that he could fix my teeth with just braces. I asked about surgery and extracting teeth (which I didn't want done but I was curious) and he said no way. He could fix my teeth with braces alone and that surgery was way too extreme and getting teeth extracted would flatten my face. My arch will be widened a bit, my crossbite fixed and my bite will be fixed. I do have an overbite (not too bad though) and excessive overjet (I, too, didn't realize all the flaws...and you are soooo right Ignorance IS bliss) which he will fix but it will not be 100% perfect. That's totally fine with me.


As for an expander, according to what I've read, if you use an expander without the surgery your teeth end up tipping. One reason for the surgery is to break the bone (it's nice n soft when you're young so kids don't need the surgery because the expander alone will do but when you're an adult the bone hardens so it needs to be broken in order to widen palate) that way your arch can be widened with the expander and you won't have to worry about tipped teeth.

so in my case, my teeth can be fixed without the surgery or expander. I can totally live with a narrow palate. I've lived my life with it and it's never bothered me before so why fix something that ain' t broken.

don't be afraid to ask your ortho questions...the moment he walks into the room tell him you have some question and ask away!

P.S. Sorry for the long post...we are now even.

Jessica

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#3 Post by cosmicgirl »

Hi there! I also have a narrow palate which is either something I've inherited or brought upon myself, due to tongue thrust.
I originally sought the advice of an ortho as I wasn't happy with one tooth - upper right lateral - which I thought sat too far back. However, I too, was given a catalogue of imperfections that needed addressing before any of the "cosmetic" work could be dealt with!
So, I found out I had a cross bite and an open bite. Palate expanders and elastics weren't mentioned at my consultation, but at every adjustment, my ortho pulls another "rabbit from the hat"! At my second or third appt my molar bands were taken off and sent away to be welded to a quad helix. Next appt, helix was fitted, all the brackets taken off and repositioned and elastics added. Fast forward 10 weeks or so, and the helix has been removed - THANK GOODNESS!!!!! - I only wear the elastics at night and both bite issues have been corrected.
So, in a nutshell, some orthos may spell out every little detail of what your treatment may entail beforehand, while others may just get on with it! Perhaps it's because they work more with children who aren't going to question them, rather than with adults who have access to things like this wonderful website and therefore, are far better informed and are in a position to discuss and query their every move!
KEEP ASKING THE QUESTIONS!!! :-#)

mamakitty
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#4 Post by mamakitty »

I agree with Dugsmom. I was also recommended to have upper jaw expansion surgery and/or palate expander put into my mouth. I chose to do neither in the end after many consultations with ortho & surgeon and reading up about it online and people's comments on this forum. For me it was also the issue that nothing was wrong in the first place so why go in and have surgery. I decided just to get braces and it will expand my teeth to an extent which I'm sure I'll be happy with. I've had a narrow jaw for a long time due to thumb sucking etc as a kid and I can't see any reason why I should take on surgery or expansion (with a possibility of it not working). Just straight teeth is all I want for now. You can always decide to take things further later down the track

mamakitty
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#5 Post by mamakitty »

I agree with Dugsmom. I was also recommended to have upper jaw expansion surgery and/or palate expander put into my mouth. I chose to do neither in the end after many consultations with ortho & surgeon and reading up about it online and people's comments on this forum. For me it was also the issue that nothing was wrong in the first place so why go in and have surgery. I decided just to get braces and it will expand my teeth to an extent which I'm sure I'll be happy with. I've had a narrow jaw for a long time due to thumb sucking etc as a kid and I can't see any reason why I should take on surgery or expansion (with a possibility of it not working). Just straight teeth is all I want for now. You can always decide to take things further later down the track

Jamesyeats
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#6 Post by Jamesyeats »

I think maybe it's just the fact that orthos, as professionals, see every flaw and seek perfection. It's the same in any career!
"Straight teeth" may be your concern, but he sees a whole bunch of other things which you or I would never notice - until they cause problems further down the line.
I do a lot of work on car engines for friends and family, (Mechanical Design Engineer by profession, car freak by choice!), and I quite often get the "oil and filter change" thing, and notice bits of bearing material in the old oil. To them, it's fine, there isn't a problem with the car as it runs fine, but to ME, there is a problem which should be fixed or the engine is not much longer for this world!

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#7 Post by Delag »

Maybe you should go for another opinion. You want to feel very sure of your treatment plan - this is your mouth after all. If you feel you are stuck with this ortho because of your parents, ask for an extra appointment so you can get a detailed treatment plan. Ask lots of questions! They are providing you with a service and you have the right to know what is going on.

ArchAngle
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#8 Post by ArchAngle »

For probably $6000 and with you being 6'5 - grab the ortho in a head-lock and demand answers :wink:

Seriously though, phone the receptionist and explain (a) you had a sudden transfer and no time to consult/talk with the orth (b) you have a set of questions and concerns and can you email or even fax them to the office and when the ortho has some time, go over them and answer them or give you answers next time you come in

leftyme
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#9 Post by leftyme »

I would ask the original ortho to call and talk to the new guy since he transferred you and you seemed comfortable with the original treatment plan.

acd
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#10 Post by acd »

It sounds like you need to sit down with the new orthodontist and have a good talk with him about your concerns. One thing about orthodontics is that there are multiple ways to deal with an issue.

Luella
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#11 Post by Luella »

Ask questions!!! For all you're paying the man- however much it is!- he should be willing and able to answer your questions!
~ Luella ~
Oral surgery assistant, Registered Dental Assistant, OMAAP Certified

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