Uneven sides, ortho tells me it's normal

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Lopez
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Uneven sides, ortho tells me it's normal

#1 Post by Lopez »

Hello guys, i've had my braces for 7 months now and i am not entirely sure i like where it is going for my mouth and it's entire position (not the individual teeth) is utterly uneven and out of place and not only does look bad but it feels extremely uncomfortable.
I talked to my doctor about it but all i get from him is that "it's normal", that "at this point we're not dealing with that yet" yade yade, i never really get a straight answer from him and it's irritating me at this point.

The main problem i'm having is that it seems my right side of my mouth is caving "in" while the left is tilting out, making my whole bone and facial structure seem "off" and feel really uncomfortable, yet my ortho isn't doing anything about it, if anything it's gotten worse since i started the treatment because he seems to be pushing my right side further in.
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So what's going on? How should i go about this?

starfish88
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#2 Post by starfish88 »

Not sure. Have you had rectangular wires yet? I think they are the ones that tilt the teeth and would sort this (I think my ortho mentioned this but I may be completely wrong!). Mine tilt in on both sides and are slowly un-tilting- not sure about the one sidedness though, you might have to ask your ortho..sorry I can't help more. Maybe someone will correct me/add more info about rectangular wires
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16 months 1 week and 2 days in braces
12mm overjet and narrow jaws all fixed with braces and elastics.
http://www.archwired.com/phpbb2/viewtop ... =9&t=42441

Mirai404
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#3 Post by Mirai404 »

Hi there! I hope I can help you out.

I had the same problem too. now my arch curve out nicely.

The uneven curve is caused by your archwire is attached up till the 1st molars. The archwire applied force till the 1st molars causing the teeth to curve in, up till the 1st molars where your archwire ends.

I bet your ortho will attach brackets to your 2nd molars (your very last teeth!) later in the treatment. Mine got attach on in my 9th month of treatment.

Your arch will then even out nicely because your 2nd molars will shift in and your 1st molars will shift out. Don't worry too much about it. It is normal :) I know how frustrated can it be when your ortho don't talk much about it. Mine don't and I think he screwing up my teeth but my arch is pretty nice now.
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Lopez
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#4 Post by Lopez »

thank you for your replies.
@Mirai404 yeah, maybe that's the issue here, my ortho doesn't really communicate with me and making me feel type of helpless. :|
And maybe you're right, at some point in my treatment he will deal with the unevenness of my right side and tilt it out more, thanks for replying.

Mirai404
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#5 Post by Mirai404 »

No problem. I understand that pretty well because my ortho don't talk to me much and he always in a rush for some unknown reasons.

I don't know what is the practice over at your country, but for me, I talk to the receptionist when I have tons of questions as I started getting really worried. Find someone else at the orthodontist who can talk to you. Even though the receptionist at my ortho's was not trained in orthodontics, she had faced many patients everyday and she herself had braces. She's very nice and patient in sharing with me a lot of orthodontics stuffs like technical terms in orthodontics, stages in orthodontics, craze lines and what other things power chain can do (not only closing gaps and rotating tooth). In fact I was quite amazed by her knowledge in orthodontics. Find someone else in the clinic who is free enough to sit down with you to explain when you get really frustrated. :)
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roxie2519
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#6 Post by roxie2519 »

Funny pictures :mrgreen:

Lopez
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#7 Post by Lopez »

Update:
My ortho installed a retainer on my lower left side
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Anyone knows what this does and why only on one side?

Also, my jaw is still leaning considerably to the left, in fact more so than since the last time i posted on these forums.
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I don't want it to seem like i'm nip picking but this is something that really bothers me and it's getting worse as time goes by. What can i do, or what can i tell my ortho?

Snowglobe32
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#8 Post by Snowglobe32 »

Hello there,

I believe you said you were only 7 months in...my mouth and teeth were off and on throughout the first two years. It is normal, at least to me, because I can completely relate.
You are still early so things are going to be a "mess" for a while. Everything looks good, then it looks bad, then back to good again, it is a vicious cycle...although, it is normal. I am almost ready to have my braces off and I just looked at my progress photos last week and it is amazing how things change over time.

At your adjustments, I would talk to the ortho or even the assistants and ask questions. Voice your concerns. I think sometimes, most patients (maybe the kids) don't care to chit chat or ask questions, so maybe that is why some orthos don't communicate much. If you show an interest in what is going on, I am sure they will be happy to talk.

Good luck!

Mylovedtheeth
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#9 Post by Mylovedtheeth »

first of all your head is turned a little bit to right (left on the photo) I'm not sure is the way of doing picture or it is a skeletal problem. If that is second braces won't solve the problem, there's no miracle. and after orthodontic treatment not always in the fact very rarely perfection is maintained. We are imperfect creatures that's why unique.
I'm debraced after 2 rears and 1 weak of treatment.

Lopez
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#10 Post by Lopez »

Snowglobe32 wrote:Hello there,

I believe you said you were only 7 months in...my mouth and teeth were off and on throughout the first two years. It is normal, at least to me, because I can completely relate.
You are still early so things are going to be a "mess" for a while. Everything looks good, then it looks bad, then back to good again, it is a vicious cycle...although, it is normal. I am almost ready to have my braces off and I just looked at my progress photos last week and it is amazing how things change over time.

At your adjustments, I would talk to the ortho or even the assistants and ask questions. Voice your concerns. I think sometimes, most patients (maybe the kids) don't care to chit chat or ask questions, so maybe that is why some orthos don't communicate much. If you show an interest in what is going on, I am sure they will be happy to talk.

Good luck!
Thanks for replying.
I can see what you mean and i wish it were that way but that isn't my case, it's been getting worse and worse since i started treatment and i have voiced my concerns to my ortho, however, he's quick to reply it's normal at this stage of the procedure... and that's it. He doesn't tell me anything else. He's not very talkative.

Mylovedtheeth wrote:first of all your head is turned a little bit to right (left on the photo) I'm not sure is the way of doing picture or it is a skeletal problem. If that is second braces won't solve the problem, there's no miracle. and after orthodontic treatment not always in the fact very rarely perfection is maintained. We are imperfect creatures that's why unique.
If it's second, my ortho never mentioned anything about it. However, i do think the treatment SHOULD alleviate this somewhat if that's the case, not make it worse. Or else, what's the point.

Amanda6
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#11 Post by Amanda6 »

Your problems with your orthodontist sound similar to problems I had with mine, and mine was doing functional orthodontics to treat my TMJ dysfunction, which is supposed to be taking the skeletal alignments into consideration. I also heard stuff like I haven't finished yet, or I'll do that bit later, and I got to the end of treatment, and it never happened. I also heard in answer to some of my questions that, arches don't always expand equally, and it's not an exact science. These responses should have been clues that I needed to go elsewhere and find another orthodontist. There are some who can expand arches more equally. My upper arch wasn't expanded out enough on my right side, and too much on my left side, so I ended up with a posterior crossbite, on my right canines and molars, and my skeletal midlines were 3mm off when I bite.

The problem is there were no agreed or clearly explained orthodontic objectives, all my treatment plan said was 'orthodontics', and the only verbal explanation I had about what the treatment was to achieve, was to expand my upper arch to create space for my tongue, so it seems that anything can be considered a finished treatment.
When the dentist decided he had finished, I went to another dentist who has improved my posterior crossbite by doing unilateral upper arch expansion. He also explained clearly what he was doing, and answered my questions with proper dental answers.

OldBikerBag
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#12 Post by OldBikerBag »

Well, it is normal. Everybody is uneven from right to left.

However.

I don't know what your expected term of treatment is, but it appears you're not done yet. It looks to me like he concentrated on moving your front incisors into the places they belong. Molars really don'y take a lot of coaxing to move. If your course of treatment is supposed to be two years, I wouldn't be getting upset until much closer to the end...say, three months or so and those teeth are still very misaligned.

I am eight months in now. I am in "finishing" wires. My overjet is all but gone. My front teeth line up well together, although my lower right second incisor is still rotated slightly. I've been bugging my ortho about it, but he tells me we're not going after that one just yet.

I have had as much as a 3mm gap between my top front incisors, put there by treatment...and closed within two weeks of wearing a powerchain. I have a huge gap between my rearmost right lower molar and the molar to the front of it. I suspect it will be fixed after I'm done with elastics, which should be the next "tightening."

There is still a lot of work to do in my mouth, but I'm past the halfway point. I can see a dramatic difference since the beginning of my treatment. I see changes almost every day.

Look at the pics you posted in your opening statement of this thread and compare them to the ones you just posted. Looks pretty good to me.
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Lopez
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#13 Post by Lopez »

Amanda6 wrote:Your problems with your orthodontist sound similar to problems I had with mine, and mine was doing functional orthodontics to treat my TMJ dysfunction, which is supposed to be taking the skeletal alignments into consideration. I also heard stuff like I haven't finished yet, or I'll do that bit later, and I got to the end of treatment, and it never happened. I also heard in answer to some of my questions that, arches don't always expand equally, and it's not an exact science. These responses should have been clues that I needed to go elsewhere and find another orthodontist. There are some who can expand arches more equally. My upper arch wasn't expanded out enough on my right side, and too much on my left side, so I ended up with a posterior crossbite, on my right canines and molars, and my skeletal midlines were 3mm off when I bite.

The problem is there were no agreed or clearly explained orthodontic objectives, all my treatment plan said was 'orthodontics', and the only verbal explanation I had about what the treatment was to achieve, was to expand my upper arch to create space for my tongue, so it seems that anything can be considered a finished treatment.
When the dentist decided he had finished, I went to another dentist who has improved my posterior crossbite by doing unilateral upper arch expansion. He also explained clearly what he was doing, and answered my questions with proper dental answers.
This is what worries me to no end. I do not want to reach the end of my treatment, and all these problems left unfixed. This treatment isn't cheap by any means and i plan on getting the most out of it, however, my orthodontist isn't a huge help when it comes down to explaining the things he does and why he does them. The moment i walked into his office, i immediately voice my concerns to him about my uneven arches and my upper jaw being slightly positioned onto my left side. He said he would take care of it, however, it's been almost 9 months and my upper jaw is has gotten worse since i started treatment, so much so, that i am bitting my left cheek when i bite to eat & this doesn't happen with my right side.
So any advice on how i should talk to my doctor so i can actually get him to listen to me? Should i mention this treatment plan or "objectives"?


OldBikerBag wrote:Well, it is normal. Everybody is uneven from right to left.

However.

I don't know what your expected term of treatment is, but it appears you're not done yet. It looks to me like he concentrated on moving your front incisors into the places they belong. Molars really don'y take a lot of coaxing to move. If your course of treatment is supposed to be two years, I wouldn't be getting upset until much closer to the end...say, three months or so and those teeth are still very misaligned.

I am eight months in now. I am in "finishing" wires. My overjet is all but gone. My front teeth line up well together, although my lower right second incisor is still rotated slightly. I've been bugging my ortho about it, but he tells me we're not going after that one just yet.

I have had as much as a 3mm gap between my top front incisors, put there by treatment...and closed within two weeks of wearing a powerchain. I have a huge gap between my rearmost right lower molar and the molar to the front of it. I suspect it will be fixed after I'm done with elastics, which should be the next "tightening."

There is still a lot of work to do in my mouth, but I'm past the halfway point. I can see a dramatic difference since the beginning of my treatment. I see changes almost every day.

Look at the pics you posted in your opening statement of this thread and compare them to the ones you just posted. Looks pretty good to me.
My expected term is a year and a half according to my doc. And i honestly wouldn't know what to tell you on what he's concentrated on because it doesn't make any sense to me. Obviously, my individual teeth look straighter, but the overall scheme of jaw is very distorted.
As to my pics, the only difference i see is that the left canine has been pushed in and my lower incisors have been pushed out. But like you said, there's still some time left in the treatment so im gonna have to give him a break, however, i also don't want to reach the point of no return. :?

Lopez
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#14 Post by Lopez »

^^I meant my right canine, sorry.

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#15 Post by OldBikerBag »

At today's appointment, the ortho bent the wires this way and that. I have powerchains top and bottom and will only use elastics for 6-8 hours a day. Within five minutes of putting the wires in, that lower tooth had rotated almost flush with the ones on either side. It was so fast that it surprised me. It's the tooth I've been pestering him about.


Try to be patient. None of this stuff happens overnight and if they try to do too much at once, it could cause damage to the bone.
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